June 21, 2025
Ep 62: Salt and Sugar
What can the phrase, “salt and sugar look the same” teach us about discernment?
Topic:
- What can the phrase, “salt and sugar look the same” teach us about discernment?
Discussion Questions:
- How do we go about acquiring godly discernment?
- In terms of salt, sugar, and unintended consequences, what has been a time in your life where you got one when you expected another?
- How did you learn from that going forward?
- What scriptures come to mind when you think of having a discerning heart?
1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,560
Well, good morning, I'm Daniel
Dalp and this is for your Sunday
2
00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,880
Morning drive, the short podcast
with the goal of providing some
3
00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,080
motivation, some drive and
encouragement on your way to
4
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,480
worship and helping you recenter
your mind on those spiritual
5
00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,680
things on hectic Sunday
mornings.
6
00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,080
We are brought to you by the
Ministry League network of
7
00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,360
podcasts.
Ministry League offers some
8
00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,640
awesome resources and other
shows that you can listen to and
9
00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,200
find all of them free and all of
them available through their app
10
00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,720
or through ministryleague.com.
I'm so thankful that you're
11
00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,680
making us a part of your weekly
routine.
12
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,600
If you do have time or you have
a moment, give us a share with a
13
00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,680
friend and leave us a rating or
review wherever you listen.
14
00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,280
Let's go ahead and get the show
on the road.
15
00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,160
This is episode 62, Salt and
sugar.
16
00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:52,280
Let's go to church.
Are we there yet?
17
00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,600
Have you ever heard the phrase
salt and sugar look the same?
18
00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,400
Now, I'd never heard it until
recently, but it's true.
19
00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,720
And if you've ever reached into
your pantry and grabbed the salt
20
00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920
when you were meaning to grab
the sugar, it'll be a jolt to
21
00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,320
your taste buds, especially if
it's an ingredient for cooking
22
00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:23,280
or baking.
The end result just isn't going
23
00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,760
to come out quite right.
And while they might look
24
00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,880
indistinguishable, their nature,
their purpose, and their tastes
25
00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:33,240
are completely different.
And that isn't to say that 1 is
26
00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200
better than the other, but
they're just both intended for
27
00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,880
different things.
You can't just swap one out for
28
00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,040
the other when you're in a
pinch.
29
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,480
Here's an example.
During the COVID years, it
30
00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,080
seemed that people got into one
of three things.
31
00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,400
You either made bread, you were
either getting chickens, or you
32
00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,120
were watching Tiger King.
I'm never going to financially
33
00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,640
recover from this.
I got the 1st and the last one.
34
00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,480
One of those times I was trying
to make bread.
35
00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,560
I was using this recipe and I
happened to mix up the salt and
36
00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,760
the sugar.
It wasn't great, but salt and
37
00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,520
sugar look the same.
So how was I to know?
38
00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,560
If you pay attention, that is a
pretty easy thing to solve.
39
00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,520
But how do we solve this problem
in a more spiritual sense?
40
00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,760
Well, it it's solved through
discernment.
41
00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,400
And I think there is some
spiritual, if not some practical
42
00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,800
application that we can take
away from this old saying not
43
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,120
everything that looks good is
good for us.
44
00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,560
And this can take all kinds of
forms and it can manifest in all
45
00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,960
different kinds of ways.
For instance, in our
46
00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,240
relationships, someone might
look kind and trustworthy and
47
00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,040
even supportive, but they turn
out to be manipulative and
48
00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,400
harmful and sometimes even
hateful when out of the public
49
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,880
eye.
And that's not just in our
50
00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,080
romantic relationships.
That can unfortunately even take
51
00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,720
hold and happen between
brethren.
52
00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,760
Or we look at the opportunities
that might open up to us.
53
00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,640
Something that looks like it
could be or a step in the right
54
00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:58,920
direction could just be a bad
decision in disguise.
55
00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,320
And of course, spiritually,
something might sound churchy.
56
00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,520
It might have a Christian tone
to it.
57
00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,200
It might even be spoken with
authority or with confidence and
58
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,800
the individual that speaks.
It might even have a lot of
59
00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,680
followers.
But we got to be careful.
60
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,600
We have to have discernment
because that thing that sounds
61
00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,000
really good to us in the moment,
it could be the snarl of a wolf
62
00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,560
instead of the bleeding of a
sheep.
63
00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:25,720
Matthew Chapter 7 verse 15 says
Beware of the false prophets who
64
00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,840
come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly are ravenous
65
00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,560
wolves.
You will know them by their
66
00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,640
fruits.
Grapes are not gathered from the
67
00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:37,040
thorn bushes, nor vigs from
thistles, are they?
68
00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,960
So every good tree bears good
fruit, but the bad tree bears
69
00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,280
bad fruit.
And a good tree cannot produce
70
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,760
bad fruit, nor can a bad tree
produce good fruit.
71
00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,200
Every tree that does not bear
good fruit is cut down and it's
72
00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,080
thrown into the fire.
So you will know them by their
73
00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,160
fruit, fruits just like that
bread, salt and sugar might look
74
00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,280
the same, and so might a wolf
cause plain as a sheep.
75
00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,680
But their fruits, their taste,
their results, that's where the
76
00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,840
true measurement is.
And of course, don't necessarily
77
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,320
trust your own intuition, either
your own conscience or your own
78
00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,120
wisdom, unless it is tempered by
the Word and the wisdom of God.
79
00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,959
Proverbs chapter 14, verse 12.
There is a way which seems right
80
00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,960
to a man, but it's end is the
way of of death.
81
00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,680
We've all been there.
Something might seem right, it
82
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,320
might look right, it might even
taste good.
83
00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,800
But if our discernment is not
guided by the Word of God, we
84
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,800
just won't come out right.
We might even be salty when we
85
00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,800
should be sweet and sweet when
we should be salty.
86
00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,520
Isaiah chapter 5, verse 20.
The end of that verse says woe
87
00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,920
to those who substitute bitter
for sweet and sweet for bitter.
88
00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,360
Be wise, be careful, and learn
the difference between salt and
89
00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,760
sugar with godly discernment.
Well, those are my thoughts for
90
00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,480
your Sunday morning drive.
Now it's time to hear yours.
91
00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,280
And as always, don't forget that
you can always share your
92
00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:02,640
comments or your thoughts to our
discussion questions at for your
93
00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,600
Sunday morningdrive.com.
Our discussion questions for
94
00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,600
today are how do we go about
acquiring godly discernment in
95
00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,600
terms of salt, sugar, and
unintended consequences?
96
00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,040
What has been a time in your
life where you got one when you
97
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,600
expected the other?
And how did you learn from that
98
00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,960
going forward?
And what scriptures come to mind
99
00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,160
when you you think of having a
discerning heart?
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,560
Well, good morning, I'm Daniel
Dalp and this is for your Sunday
2
00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,880
Morning drive, the short podcast
with the goal of providing some
3
00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,080
motivation, some drive and
encouragement on your way to
4
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,480
worship and helping you recenter
your mind on those spiritual
5
00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,680
things on hectic Sunday
mornings.
6
00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,080
We are brought to you by the
Ministry League network of
7
00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,360
podcasts.
Ministry League offers some
8
00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,640
awesome resources and other
shows that you can listen to and
9
00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,200
find all of them free and all of
them available through their app
10
00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,720
or through ministryleague.com.
I'm so thankful that you're
11
00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,680
making us a part of your weekly
routine.
12
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,600
If you do have time or you have
a moment, give us a share with a
13
00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,680
friend and leave us a rating or
review wherever you listen.
14
00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,280
Let's go ahead and get the show
on the road.
15
00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,160
This is episode 62, Salt and
sugar.
16
00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:52,280
Let's go to church.
Are we there yet?
17
00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,600
Have you ever heard the phrase
salt and sugar look the same?
18
00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,400
Now, I'd never heard it until
recently, but it's true.
19
00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,720
And if you've ever reached into
your pantry and grabbed the salt
20
00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920
when you were meaning to grab
the sugar, it'll be a jolt to
21
00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,320
your taste buds, especially if
it's an ingredient for cooking
22
00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:23,280
or baking.
The end result just isn't going
23
00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,760
to come out quite right.
And while they might look
24
00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,880
indistinguishable, their nature,
their purpose, and their tastes
25
00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:33,240
are completely different.
And that isn't to say that 1 is
26
00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200
better than the other, but
they're just both intended for
27
00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,880
different things.
You can't just swap one out for
28
00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,040
the other when you're in a
pinch.
29
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,480
Here's an example.
During the COVID years, it
30
00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,080
seemed that people got into one
of three things.
31
00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,400
You either made bread, you were
either getting chickens, or you
32
00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,120
were watching Tiger King.
I'm never going to financially
33
00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,640
recover from this.
I got the 1st and the last one.
34
00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,480
One of those times I was trying
to make bread.
35
00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,560
I was using this recipe and I
happened to mix up the salt and
36
00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,760
the sugar.
It wasn't great, but salt and
37
00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,520
sugar look the same.
So how was I to know?
38
00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,560
If you pay attention, that is a
pretty easy thing to solve.
39
00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,520
But how do we solve this problem
in a more spiritual sense?
40
00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,760
Well, it it's solved through
discernment.
41
00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,400
And I think there is some
spiritual, if not some practical
42
00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,800
application that we can take
away from this old saying not
43
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,120
everything that looks good is
good for us.
44
00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,560
And this can take all kinds of
forms and it can manifest in all
45
00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,960
different kinds of ways.
For instance, in our
46
00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,240
relationships, someone might
look kind and trustworthy and
47
00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,040
even supportive, but they turn
out to be manipulative and
48
00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,400
harmful and sometimes even
hateful when out of the public
49
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,880
eye.
And that's not just in our
50
00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,080
romantic relationships.
That can unfortunately even take
51
00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,720
hold and happen between
brethren.
52
00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,760
Or we look at the opportunities
that might open up to us.
53
00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,640
Something that looks like it
could be or a step in the right
54
00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:58,920
direction could just be a bad
decision in disguise.
55
00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,320
And of course, spiritually,
something might sound churchy.
56
00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,520
It might have a Christian tone
to it.
57
00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,200
It might even be spoken with
authority or with confidence and
58
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,800
the individual that speaks.
It might even have a lot of
59
00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,680
followers.
But we got to be careful.
60
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,600
We have to have discernment
because that thing that sounds
61
00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,000
really good to us in the moment,
it could be the snarl of a wolf
62
00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,560
instead of the bleeding of a
sheep.
63
00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:25,720
Matthew Chapter 7 verse 15 says
Beware of the false prophets who
64
00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,840
come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly are ravenous
65
00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,560
wolves.
You will know them by their
66
00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,640
fruits.
Grapes are not gathered from the
67
00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:37,040
thorn bushes, nor vigs from
thistles, are they?
68
00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,960
So every good tree bears good
fruit, but the bad tree bears
69
00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,280
bad fruit.
And a good tree cannot produce
70
00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,760
bad fruit, nor can a bad tree
produce good fruit.
71
00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,200
Every tree that does not bear
good fruit is cut down and it's
72
00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,080
thrown into the fire.
So you will know them by their
73
00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,160
fruit, fruits just like that
bread, salt and sugar might look
74
00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,280
the same, and so might a wolf
cause plain as a sheep.
75
00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,680
But their fruits, their taste,
their results, that's where the
76
00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,840
true measurement is.
And of course, don't necessarily
77
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,320
trust your own intuition, either
your own conscience or your own
78
00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,120
wisdom, unless it is tempered by
the Word and the wisdom of God.
79
00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,959
Proverbs chapter 14, verse 12.
There is a way which seems right
80
00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,960
to a man, but it's end is the
way of of death.
81
00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,680
We've all been there.
Something might seem right, it
82
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,320
might look right, it might even
taste good.
83
00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,800
But if our discernment is not
guided by the Word of God, we
84
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,800
just won't come out right.
We might even be salty when we
85
00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,800
should be sweet and sweet when
we should be salty.
86
00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,520
Isaiah chapter 5, verse 20.
The end of that verse says woe
87
00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,920
to those who substitute bitter
for sweet and sweet for bitter.
88
00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,360
Be wise, be careful, and learn
the difference between salt and
89
00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,760
sugar with godly discernment.
Well, those are my thoughts for
90
00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,480
your Sunday morning drive.
Now it's time to hear yours.
91
00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,280
And as always, don't forget that
you can always share your
92
00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:02,640
comments or your thoughts to our
discussion questions at for your
93
00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,600
Sunday morningdrive.com.
Our discussion questions for
94
00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,600
today are how do we go about
acquiring godly discernment in
95
00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,600
terms of salt, sugar, and
unintended consequences?
96
00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,040
What has been a time in your
life where you got one when you
97
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,600
expected the other?
And how did you learn from that
98
00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,960
going forward?
And what scriptures come to mind
99
00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,160
when you you think of having a
discerning heart?
